Leo Burnett, one of the most iconic advertising agencies in the game, is evolving the way it thinks about creative.

I've been focused on infusing technology, data and analytics to make creative more relevant, personalized and effective, said Andrew Swinand, CEO at Leo Burnett.

For Swinand, who spent time on the media side as president at Starcom Mediavest Group, data can develop the creative brief to reflect individual consumer intent and open the pathways for personalized creative.

When the creative brief is for one 30-second spot, thats what you get, he said. When its [based on]six segments andthe nuances that create relevance, its a different starting point.

But at Leo Burnett, the extent to which data is incorporated into creativity depends on changing clients mindsets and training employees to execute on this new mandate.

AdExchanger caught up with Swinand in Cannes.

AdExchanger: Whats the biggest challenge as the CEO of a creative agency today?

To be successful today, we need to have a base understanding of technology and data, but we still need to deliver our core promise of using creativity to change human behavior.

All of the data and technology in the world is worthless unlesssomeone feels, sees and engages in creative that changes their behavior. A lot of people are overly enamored with data and technology.

How is the creative brief changing?

Its both integrated and collaborative with media. [Were] starting with the sources of behavior and intelligence that allow us to connect with consumers.

Weve added a metric of prosperity to all of our briefs. How does content add value to [consumers] lives, grow [our clients] business and increase sales? That has to be a collaboration between creative and media agencies.

How do you measuresomething subjectivelike creative?

I challenge that its subjective. The idea that creative is unmeasurable is a false construct.

How so?

Theres a thousand ways now to measure consumer response. I can measure how many people engage in creative. I can bring in Nielsen data and dynamic logic.

Publicis won the media business in the UK for P&G. They built a technology that incorporates Neustar data and Artis Optimizer (a Starcom product) to [measure] creative response rate [with] Nielsen data from stores.

The technology exists. We just need to change client and agency behavior to keep up with it.

Are your clients holding you back from realizing data-driven creative?

Its a bell-shaped curve. Were doing alot of work with Allstate, who is really smart on this. Other clients are further behind. The closer you are to ecommerce, the higher the propensity and experience with digital.

How do you train your employees onprogrammaticand data?

We hold digital and programmatic days. Were one of Googles priority agencies; we have Google employees in the building. Weve done similar things with Facebook and Adobe. The onus is on us to train them.

Who should own programmatic creative: creative or media agencies?

Its a partnership. So much of the technology has been on the media side. But if you serve the same ads to six segments, its worthless. Youreusing a more expensive way to buy run-of-site.

Vendors have the ability to say, These people are drastically different from these people. Then media agencies buy [segments of] women from New York City versus women from Chicago, which are different, and we serve the same ad to them. Whats the point?

Is personalized creative at the individual level possible yet?

The capability exists. Its just not the factory thats been built. How do we change behavior and approaches? It starts with the creative brief.

Do increasingly shorter ad formats constrain creativity?

The starting point isnt How do I make a good ad? Its Whats the right tool for the job?

If you have a simple idea that communicates the client's benefit, why do I need the extra 24 seconds? Embrace the six seconds and do it efficiently. If I have a complex business problem, maybe six seconds isnt the right format.

Has sound-off, feed-based video killed creativity?

It makes you approach the problem from a different perspective. The creative challenge becomes How do I have something thats so compelling that people turn the sound on?

Its like out of home (OOH). Its just a different format for an old problem.

This interview has been edited and condensed.

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