What can a fish tell us about the brain and our senses? At Columbias Zuckerman Institute, two labs with different expertise one in experimental neuroscience, the other in mathematical modeling have teamed up to find out.
When we walk along a busy street, we can easily distinguish moving people and cars from stationary objects, even though the entire world before our eyes is sweeping past us. Our brains employ unparalleled computing power to make this possible. To understand this computational ability, Nathaniel Sawtell, PhD, and Larry Abbott, PhD, study fish that sense their environment with electrical pulses. They use their findings to build mathematical models that explain how the brain learns to perform these kinds of complex computations. By investigating this form of learning, these scientists interdisciplinary work also has implications for machine learning technologies based on the brain.
We spoke with Drs. Sawtell and Abbott, as well as doctoral candidate Salomon Muller, about their latest discoveries, published recently in the journal Cell.
Nathaniel Sawtell: The ability to perceive and experience our world is effortless, but behind the scenes our brain is constantly performing sophisticated computations. A key feature of this process that we want to understand is how the brain can recognize and process external sensory stimuli, such as sounds and sights generated by the outside world, like the car whizzing by, while tuning out those sensory stimuli that we generate from our own movements; how it distinguishes between the self and the other. It turns out that this ability requires a form of learning.
Larry Abbott: We want to learn how the brain processes information about the environment while simultaneously updating its knowledge about how to react to that environment. This type of concurrent learning and updating is difficult for computers to accomplish but the brain does it automatically.
Salomon Muller: Our work investigates how clusters of neurons, called circuits, make perceiving and learning possible. We believe that understanding this process will reveal critical clues to how the brain works and solves problems.
NS: We focus our investigations on the elephant-nose fish, an animal that emits and detects electrical pulses to perceive and navigate its surroundings. In particular, we study a structure in the fishs brain called the electrosensory lobe. This structure is very similar to the cerebellum, an ancient brain structure that is present in all vertebrates, including in people.
The electrosensory lobe helps the elephant-nose fish use its electrical pulses to detect nearby objects. For example, these pulses enable the fish to sense the minute electrical fields produced by the prey it wishes to eat. Remarkably, the fish can sense these small electrical fields even while the fish itself is producing much larger electric signals. We studied how this is done.
LA: These capabilities make this fish a powerful model for studying how circuits in the brain can cancel out self-generated sounds, or the effects of its own movement, thereby distinguishing between external and internal stimuli. In addition, this is a great system for exploring how brain circuits both process information and learn at the same time, and enable us to think about what happens when those circuits are disrupted.
NS: Previous work had shown that the fishs electrosensory lobe, which is similar to the cerebellum, contains several layers of neurons stacked on top of each other. In this study, we discovered that neurons in the middle layer do something incredible.
LA: Most neurons generate bursts of electricity to communicate. But, importantly, these middle-layer neurons produce two different types of electrical bursts one for learning and the other for communication.
SM: Earlier research had observed these dual signals but had not deciphered their role. We developed a mathematical model demonstrating that these signals actually emanate from different regions of the same neuron, and that this compartmentalized organization is what enables the circuit to learn on the go.
NS: As we mentioned, the fishs electrosensory lobe is remarkably similar to our own cerebellum. Recent evidence strongly suggests that our brains follow similar rules as those that allow fish to learn with flexibility and adaptability. Understanding those rules will help us to figure out how the brain grows and develops, as well as what goes wrong in disease when this circuitry gets disrupted. One example is tinnitus, or ringing in the ears. Tinnitus is a common and, in some cases, debilitating condition that is hypothesized to arise because of a malfunction of circuits in the human brain that normally function to cancel out self-generated sounds. Our work in the elephant-nose fish has the potential to inform efforts investigating the underlying mechanisms of this disorder.
LA: These findings could lead to machine-learning algorithms that more closely resemble what the brain does. At present, such algorithms divide learning and processing or communicating into two separate phases. The biological discovery we uncovered in our research suggests a new path forward: a learning mechanism that can do both things at once.
NS: The brain is the most complex thing we know of. Building sophisticated mathematical models is absolutely essential for understanding how it works, because they give a roadmap for experimentalists like me to use as I continue to delve deeper into the mechanisms of learning.
LA: As a neuroscientist who was originally trained in physics, I obviously have a background different from Nate Sawtells, but rather than that getting in the way of our collaborations, we use our different approaches to great advantage. Building bridges between mathematics and biology makes for successful collaborations that drive science, medicine and technology forward.
SM: As a doctoral candidate here at Columbias Zuckerman Institute, I have been mentored by both Drs. Abbott and Sawtell, which has been incredibly rewarding. In neuroscience, you often take things apart to understand them. Our collaboration allows us to also put the pieces back together; our focus is not on solving a one piece of a problem, but on understanding a system with all of its pieces.
###
This paper is titled Continual learning in a multi-layer network of an electric fish. Additional contributors include Abigail Zadina.
This research was supported by the National Institutes of Health (NS075023), the Irma T. Hirschl Trust, the Simons Foundation, the Gatsby Foundation and the National Science Foundation (1025849, NeuroNex Award DBI-1707398).
The authors report no financial or other conflicts of interest.
See the rest here:
Mathematics and Neuroscience Merge to Shed Light on Learning - Columbia University Irving Medical Center
- Neuroscience Says Music Is an Emotion Regulation Machine. Heres What to Play for Happiness, Productivity, or Deep Thinking - Inc.com - April 19th, 2025 [April 19th, 2025]
- Early Maternal Affection Shapes Key Personality Traits for Life - Neuroscience News - April 19th, 2025 [April 19th, 2025]
- Elons new neuroscience major highlighted by Greensboro News & Record - Elon University - April 19th, 2025 [April 19th, 2025]
- Brain Blast event at St. Lawrence University teaches local students neuroscience - North Country Now - April 19th, 2025 [April 19th, 2025]
- AI Reveals What Keeps People Committed to Exercise - Neuroscience News - April 19th, 2025 [April 19th, 2025]
- The "Holy Grail" of Neuroscience? Researchers Create Stunningly Accurate Digital Twin of the Brain - The Debrief - April 19th, 2025 [April 19th, 2025]
- Annenberg School Vice Dean Emily Falk publishes book on the neuroscience of decision-making - The Daily Pennsylvanian - April 19th, 2025 [April 19th, 2025]
- Music-Induced Chills Trigger Natural Opioids in the Brain - Neuroscience News - April 19th, 2025 [April 19th, 2025]
- What We Value: The Neuroscience of Choice and Change - think.kera.org - April 19th, 2025 [April 19th, 2025]
- Kile takes top neuroscience post at Sutter Health as system pushes to align care, expand trials - The Business Journals - April 19th, 2025 [April 19th, 2025]
- A Grain of Brain, 523 Million Synapses, and the Most Complicated Neuroscience Experiment Ever Attempted - SciTechDaily - April 19th, 2025 [April 19th, 2025]
- Mild Brain Stimulation Alters Decision-Making Speed and Flexibility - Neuroscience News - April 19th, 2025 [April 19th, 2025]
- Cannabis studies were informing fundamental neuroscience in the 1970s - Nature - April 10th, 2025 [April 10th, 2025]
- To make a meaningful contribution to neuroscience, fMRI must break out of its silo - The Transmitter - April 10th, 2025 [April 10th, 2025]
- Steve Jobss Unexpected Secret to Being More Creative (Backed by Neuroscience) - Inc.com - April 10th, 2025 [April 10th, 2025]
- Challenging Decades of Neuroscience: Brain Cells Are More Plastic Than Previously Thought - SciTechDaily - April 10th, 2025 [April 10th, 2025]
- Q&A: Lundbecks head of R&D on letting biology speak in neuroscience - Endpoints News - April 10th, 2025 [April 10th, 2025]
- Why it's hard to study the neuroscience of psychedelics : Short Wave - NPR - April 10th, 2025 [April 10th, 2025]
- Fear Sync: How Males and Females Respond to Stress Together - Neuroscience News - April 10th, 2025 [April 10th, 2025]
- Chemotherapy Disrupts Brain Connectivity - Neuroscience News - April 10th, 2025 [April 10th, 2025]
- Newly awarded NIH grants for neuroscience lag 77 percent behind previous nine-year average - The Transmitter - April 10th, 2025 [April 10th, 2025]
- Wittstein interviewed by The Times News about new neuroscience major - Elon University - April 10th, 2025 [April 10th, 2025]
- Alto Neuroscience initiated with a Buy at H.C. Wainwright - Yahoo Finance - April 10th, 2025 [April 10th, 2025]
- New map of brain hailed as watershed for neuroscience - The Times - April 10th, 2025 [April 10th, 2025]
- GSK Ramps Up Neuroscience Investment With ABL Brain Shuttle Deal - insights.citeline.com - April 10th, 2025 [April 10th, 2025]
- ADHD and Music: Why Background Beats May Boost Study Focus - Neuroscience News - April 10th, 2025 [April 10th, 2025]
- Brains Rewire Themselves to Survive Deadly Infection - Neuroscience News - April 10th, 2025 [April 10th, 2025]
- AbbVie Hold Rating: Balancing Strong Immunology Growth with Challenges in Aesthetics, Neuroscience, and Oncology - TipRanks - April 10th, 2025 [April 10th, 2025]
- Want to Feel Better and Be More Mindful? Neuroscience Says This Habit Might Be Holding You Back - Inc.com - April 10th, 2025 [April 10th, 2025]
- How One Bad Meal Rewires the Brain to Avoid That Food Forever - Neuroscience News - April 10th, 2025 [April 10th, 2025]
- Marcus Neuroscience Institute to Host Brain and Spine Symposium - South Florida Hospital News - March 30th, 2025 [March 30th, 2025]
- Elon University to launch neuroscience major in fall 2025 - Today at Elon - March 30th, 2025 [March 30th, 2025]
- The brains stalwart sentinels express an unexpected gene - The Transmitter: Neuroscience News and Perspectives - March 30th, 2025 [March 30th, 2025]
- Video catches microglia in the act of synaptic pruning - The Transmitter: Neuroscience News and Perspectives - March 30th, 2025 [March 30th, 2025]
- Null and Noteworthy: Reexamining registered reports - The Transmitter: Neuroscience News and Perspectives - March 30th, 2025 [March 30th, 2025]
- Accepting the bitter lesson and embracing the brains complexity - The Transmitter: Neuroscience News and Perspectives - March 30th, 2025 [March 30th, 2025]
- NIH neurodevelopmental assessment system now available as iPad app - The Transmitter: Neuroscience News and Perspectives - March 30th, 2025 [March 30th, 2025]
- Stronger Bonds Before Birth Shape Healthier Mother-Child Futures - Neuroscience News - March 30th, 2025 [March 30th, 2025]
- How Emotionally Intelligent People Learn to Control Their Inner Voice, Backed by Neuroscience - Inc. - March 30th, 2025 [March 30th, 2025]
- Gabriele Scheler reflects on the interplay between language, thought and AI - The Transmitter: Neuroscience News and Perspectives - March 30th, 2025 [March 30th, 2025]
- Worlds first crowd-sourced neuroscience study aims to understand how our brains predict the future - EurekAlert - March 15th, 2025 [March 15th, 2025]
- Rewriting Neuroscience: Possible Foundations of Human Intelligence Observed for the First Time - SciTechDaily - March 15th, 2025 [March 15th, 2025]
- Calculating neurosciences carbon cost: Q&A with Stefan Pulver and William Smith - The Transmitter: Neuroscience News and Perspectives - March 15th, 2025 [March 15th, 2025]
- The future of neuroscience research at U.S. minority-serving institutions is in danger - The Transmitter: Neuroscience News and Perspectives - March 15th, 2025 [March 15th, 2025]
- Dopamine and social media: Why you cant stop scrolling, according to neuroscience - PsyPost - March 15th, 2025 [March 15th, 2025]
- Neuroscience Discovered a Clever Trick for Squeezing More Joy Out of Everyday Pleasures - Inc. - March 15th, 2025 [March 15th, 2025]
- The limits of neuroscience - The Transmitter: Neuroscience News and Perspectives - March 15th, 2025 [March 15th, 2025]
- BPOM Explains The Benefits Of Fasting From The Health And Neuroscience Side - VOI English - March 15th, 2025 [March 15th, 2025]
- How tiny tardigrades could help tackle systems neuroscience questions - The Transmitter: Neuroscience News and Perspectives - March 15th, 2025 [March 15th, 2025]
- Alison Preston explains how our brains form mental frameworks for interpreting the world - The Transmitter: Neuroscience News and Perspectives - March 15th, 2025 [March 15th, 2025]
- The Mystical Mind Meets Neuroscience: Seeking the Roots of Consciousness - Next Big Idea Club Magazine - March 15th, 2025 [March 15th, 2025]
- Myosin Therapeutics Closes Second Seed Round to Advance Clinical Trials for Innovative Cancer and Neuroscience Therapies - PR Newswire - March 5th, 2025 [March 5th, 2025]
- Neuroscience Ph.D. programs adjust admissions in response to U.S. funding uncertainty - The Transmitter: Neuroscience News and Perspectives - March 5th, 2025 [March 5th, 2025]
- New tools help make neuroimaging accessible to more researchers - The Transmitter: Neuroscience News and Perspectives - March 5th, 2025 [March 5th, 2025]
- Future Thinking Training Reduces Impulsivity - Neuroscience News - March 5th, 2025 [March 5th, 2025]
- Null and Noteworthy, relaunched: Probing a schizophrenia biomarker - The Transmitter: Neuroscience News and Perspectives - March 5th, 2025 [March 5th, 2025]
- How to communicate the value of curiosity-driven research - The Transmitter: Neuroscience News and Perspectives - March 5th, 2025 [March 5th, 2025]
- Cognitive neuroscience approach to explore the impact of wind turbine noise on various mental functions - Nature.com - March 5th, 2025 [March 5th, 2025]
- Football on the Brain: Helping coaches embed neuroscience knowledge - Training Ground Guru - March 5th, 2025 [March 5th, 2025]
- Taking Control: Using Neuroscience to Build Better Lives - theLoop - March 5th, 2025 [March 5th, 2025]
- Creating a pipeline of talent to feed the growth of Neuroscience: Lessons from Ghana - Myjoyonline - March 5th, 2025 [March 5th, 2025]
- Exclusive: NIH appears to archive policy requiring female animals in studies - The Transmitter: Neuroscience News and Perspectives - February 25th, 2025 [February 25th, 2025]
- Roll On Down The Highway 2025 Tour coming to Neuroscience Group Field - WeAreGreenBay.com - February 25th, 2025 [February 25th, 2025]
- STEM organizations host Neuroscience Outreach Fair for local K-12 students - University of Virginia The Cavalier Daily - February 25th, 2025 [February 25th, 2025]
- Adapt or die: Safeguarding the future of diversity and inclusion funding in neuroscience - The Transmitter: Neuroscience News and Perspectives - February 25th, 2025 [February 25th, 2025]
- The last two-author neuroscience paper? - The Transmitter: Neuroscience News and Perspectives - February 25th, 2025 [February 25th, 2025]
- Gate Neurosciences Strengthens Focus on the Synapse as a Therapeutic Target with Acquisition of Boost Neuroscience - Business Wire - February 25th, 2025 [February 25th, 2025]
- Why Firefly Neuroscience, Inc. (AIFF) Is Soaring This Year So Far - Yahoo Finance - February 25th, 2025 [February 25th, 2025]
- Breaking the barrier between theorists and experimentalists - The Transmitter: Neuroscience News and Perspectives - February 25th, 2025 [February 25th, 2025]
- Preserving Brain Health and Advancing Neuroscience - University of Miami - February 25th, 2025 [February 25th, 2025]
- Science must step away from nationally managed infrastructure - The Transmitter: Neuroscience News and Perspectives - February 25th, 2025 [February 25th, 2025]
- Repurposed Blood Pressure Drug May Treat ADHD - Neuroscience News - February 25th, 2025 [February 25th, 2025]
- How to teach students about science funding - The Transmitter: Neuroscience News and Perspectives - February 25th, 2025 [February 25th, 2025]
- Reflecting on 2024: Advancing Neuroscience Research to Improve Neurological Health - National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke - February 25th, 2025 [February 25th, 2025]
- Brains Hidden Circuitry for Risk and Reward Uncovered - Neuroscience News - February 25th, 2025 [February 25th, 2025]
- Why We Keep Exploring Even After Learning the Best Strategy - Neuroscience News - February 25th, 2025 [February 25th, 2025]
- Unlocking Cellular Youth: The Protein That Reverses Aging - Neuroscience News - February 25th, 2025 [February 25th, 2025]
- This paper changed my Life: Bill Newsome reflects on a quadrilogy of classic visual perception studies - The Transmitter: Neuroscience News and... - February 25th, 2025 [February 25th, 2025]
- Roundup: The false association between vaccines and autism - The Transmitter: Neuroscience News and Perspectives - February 3rd, 2025 [February 3rd, 2025]
- Static pay, shrinking prospects fuel neuroscience postdoc decline - The Transmitter: Neuroscience News and Perspectives - February 3rd, 2025 [February 3rd, 2025]